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Craig Foster01 May 2024

#735: Craig Foster of My Octopus Teacher — How to Find the Wild in a Tame World

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Hot Take· 2

Hot Take33:00

What Lost Animal Relationships May Cost Human Relationships

Years of close contact made Foster experience wild animals as kin and teachers. He believes these bonds reduce how much he demands from human relationships, and suggests that losing the multispecies relationships common through prehistory may redirect additional pressure toward partners, friends, and family.

  • Many marine animals allowed close contact because they did not treat him as prey
  • Repeated relationships made the creatures feel like family
  • Foster says his relationship with his wife improved
  • He frames the loss of multispecies bonds as a possible source of pressure on human bonds

it feels like family, like kin in the water after a while

Craig Foster · 34:30

it mostly goes, I think, to a bit more pressure on human relationships.

Craig Foster · 35:00
#relationships#animal bonds#kinship#wellbeing
Hot Take1:32:00

Biodiversity Protects Every Other Investment

Foster argues that climate action receives necessary attention but biodiversity receives too little. He calls plant and animal species the human immune and life-support system, making ecological collapse a threat that would erase the value of property, finance, enterprise, and future plans.

  • Sea Change Project studies and tells stories about 1,001 kelp-forest animals
  • Foster says climate work is critical and must continue
  • He frames biodiversity as the foundation beneath all economic activity
  • Phytoplankton collapse is his stark example of dependence on living systems
  • He asks why governments and businesses invest too little in regeneration

they actually form our immune system. They are the life support system of everything.

Craig Foster · 1:33:30

That investment is worth zero if biodiversity collapses.

Craig Foster · 1:34:00
#biodiversity#conservation#life support#sea change project

Explainer· 4

Explainer09:30

How a Tracker Follows an Animal Without Seeing Its Tracks

Foster explains that persistence hunting is a rare, sacred, dangerous hunt made possible partly because humans can cool themselves by sweating while prey overheats. In the hunt he filmed, master tracker Karoha spent most of the pursuit without following physical tracks, appearing to integrate sensory information through his whole body.

  • The filmed hunt lasted more than four hours in extreme heat
  • Persistence hunting is rare and dangerous for hunters with little water
  • Karoha crossed physical tracks while continuing to locate the kudu
  • Foster compares the embodied skill with Indigenous ocean navigation

It's basically because we can sweat and keep ourselves cool, whereas those animals overheat.

Craig Foster · 10:00

his body is like a radar system.

Craig Foster · 11:00
#tracking#persistence hunting#san#embodied knowledge
Explainer14:00

Why Deep Wild Connection Can Produce Spontaneous Joy

Foster describes laughter arising spontaneously in San trackers while they move through the landscape. Researchers he worked with called this apparent joy in deeply connected Indigenous societies “Wilderness Rapture,” although Foster notes that joy also varies between individuals and should not be romanticized as universal.

  • The laughter was not a reaction to an external joke
  • Foster associates it with being deeply embedded in the natural world
  • The joy coexists with poverty and difficult conditions
  • He acknowledges that people in modern society can also be very joyful

it's this primal joy of being in that space and being so connected to the wild.

Craig Foster · 14:30

There's an extraordinary sense of joy that seems to be connected to being very embedded in the natural world.

Craig Foster · 15:00
#wilderness rapture#joy#indigenous knowledge#nature connection
Explainer30:30

The Thousands of Signs Hidden Underwater

Foster initially thought underwater tracking was impossible because swells erase marks. Over a decade he learned to read mollusk slime trails, marks on animals, drill holes, bite marks, shell shine, and other traces to infer who had been present, what had eaten what, and when events occurred.

  • Mollusk slime collects tiny sand particles and leaves subtle trails
  • Marks on a ray can indicate animal interactions and resting time
  • Predator drill holes and bite marks identify ecological events
  • Shell shininess and other details help estimate timing
  • Foster says the wider aquatic tracking system took ten years to assemble

And then I started to notice the slime trails.

Craig Foster · 30:30

There are literally thousands and thousands of these subtle signs but it's taken me 10 years to slowly put together

Craig Foster · 31:30
#underwater tracking#marine biology#pattern recognition#animal signs
Explainer43:00

The Amphibious Soul Between Wildness and Technology

Foster uses the “amphibious soul” to describe living between a wild evolutionary self and a technologically comfortable tame self. He rejects both total retreat and total immersion in modernity, seeking a balance that leaves him calmer and more centered without denying his love of science, coffee, film, and technology.

  • Foster felt he was living a double life
  • He sees humans as wild animals shaped by deep evolution
  • A fully wild return is no longer available
  • Too much tame-world exposure leaves his nervous system activated and disrupts sleep
  • Practices that retain wildness help him feel centered

Part of my life was wild and connected to three million years of deep evolution in all my incredible ancestors from Africa. And then part…

Craig Foster · 44:30

Because you can't go back to a fully wild existence, that door is completely shut for us now.

Craig Foster · 45:30
#amphibious soul#modern life#wildness#balance

Story· 5

Story1:53:30

The Octopus That Turned the Camera Around

While Foster and marine biologist Jannes were studying rare shaggy sea hares, a curious octopus took Foster's camera into its den. It turned the still-recording camera toward the humans, creating footage from the animal's physical perspective and prompting them to reconsider humanity's place in the wild world.

  • Foster waited rather than forcibly retrieving the camera and disturbing the animal
  • The octopus manipulated the camera and filmed the observers
  • The footage made the animal's perspective emotionally immediate
  • Foster and Jannes placed the octopus first and humans last in their 1,001-species project

this curious octopus looked at the camera, then turned the camera and started filming us.

Craig Foster · 1:54:00

it had this amazingly profound effect on us that it is suddenly looking through this world from the octopus's perspective.

Craig Foster · 1:54:30
#octopus#animal consciousness#perspective#kelp forest
Story36:00

The Wild Otter That Reached Into Foster's Mask

During a freezing dive when Foster was questioning his daily practice, a rare Cape clawless otter approached him. He stayed still and avoided facing it directly; the animal touched his feet, moved along his body, touched his face, and later followed him into the shallows while calling.

  • Foster interpreted his mouth and front as potentially threatening to the otter
  • Remaining still allowed the shy animal to choose contact
  • The encounter answered his doubts about continuing the dives
  • Research later led him to the history of humans hunting cooperatively with wild otters
  • He does not claim to know whether this otter carried any such deep memory

my instinct was to keep still and not turn to face the animal

Craig Foster · 37:00

it reached out and started touching my face.

Craig Foster · 38:00
#otter#wildlife encounter#trust#interspecies cooperation
Story56:30

Three Years of Clues Pointed to an Urchin Under the Sand

After years of finding only dead heart-urchin shells, Foster relaxed his deliberate search and felt an answer surface: the animal was under the sand. Digging confirmed the inference, after which he could consciously identify the subtle detritus traps that made the animals easier to find.

  • Foster searched for a living heart urchin for three years
  • His conscious mind had not recognized all the signs he was absorbing
  • A relaxed inference directed him beneath the sand
  • The successful discovery allowed him to reconstruct the clues explicitly
  • He now finds the animals by recognizing their subtle detritus traps

some of which my conscious mind is not recognizing, but the unconscious is taking everything in.

Craig Foster · 57:00

It's underneath the sand. And I dug about that deep in the sand and out came this incredible live heart urchin

Craig Foster · 58:00
#intuition#heart urchin#unconscious processing#discovery
Story1:12:30

The Fire That Separated Foster's House From His Home

An electrical fire destroyed the house Foster, his wife, and his son had nurtured for sixteen years. After escaping with his son and a friend, Foster entered the kelp forest and realized that the functioning biosphere felt like his deeper home, while the physical house could be rebuilt.

  • The house and nearly all possessions were lost within hours
  • Friends' care helped the family move through the initial shock
  • Foster, his son, and his son's friend escaped without serious injury
  • The ocean and healthy biosphere became his deeper definition of home
  • He distinguishes that enduring home from the house he is rebuilding

from one hour to two hours later, I had this beautiful home that my wife and I and my son had nurtured for 16 years…

Craig Foster · 1:12:30

this planet, this original deep mother that birthed our species and it nurtured me from my whole life was actually my home

Craig Foster · 1:13:30
#home#house fire#resilience#biosphere
Story1:21:00

When My Octopus Teacher's Success Shattered Foster's Sleep

The sudden global reach of My Octopus Teacher brought overwhelming attention, constant contact, awards, and severe insomnia. Foster says he gradually rebuilt his nervous system through gentle contact with the sea, cold, tracking, breathing, and lessons from Indigenous people, while the attention also naturally faded when he stopped feeding it.

  • Foster expected modest interest rather than exposure in more than 100 million homes
  • Incoming contact reached roughly one email every four seconds
  • He sometimes slept only minutes per night for weeks and months
  • He lost weight and could initially tolerate only gentle nature exposure
  • Letters from people helped by the film mattered more to him than awards
  • He is grateful for what he learned but would not want to repeat the trauma

I slept extremely badly, sometimes just a few minutes a night for weeks and for months

Craig Foster · 1:23:30

I slowly used wild nature, just going into that sea.

Craig Foster · 1:24:00
#fame#insomnia#my octopus teacher#recovery

Takeaway· 4

Takeaway27:00

Foster's Critical Separation Between Breath Practice and Diving

Foster describes a morning breath-hold practice but explicitly separates it from freediving because breathing techniques near water can be dangerous. He also treats changes in cold tolerance as feedback: poor sleep, stress, or illness can sharply reduce his ability to thermoregulate.

  • His dry practice includes deep breathing followed by three-to-five-minute holds
  • He repeats the hold three or four times
  • He leaves at least half an hour between breathing techniques and entering water
  • Before a freedive he takes only two or three deep breaths
  • Stress, illness, and sleep loss can radically change cold tolerance

one's got to be very careful never to do any of these breathing techniques close to actually going in the water.

Craig Foster · 27:30

It's amazing how the body's ability to thermoregulate tells you how your mind is feeling

Craig Foster · 28:30
#freediving#breath hold#cold exposure#safety
Takeaway49:00

The Calm That Lasted Months After One Wild Immersion

A month at a remote, near-pristine research station left Foster calmer, more present, and more at home for months afterward. He proposes that abundant biodiversity signals safety to the ancient, sensory parts of the human psyche, while biologically depleted surroundings may signal scarcity even when modern supplies are available.

  • The island environment was densely populated with animals
  • The psychological effect persisted for months
  • Foster links the calm to perceived ecological health and available food
  • He argues that the older nervous system does not understand supermarkets
  • The effect depends on both available nature and a person's access and experience

It was as if I'd been given some magic elixir and I felt so much calmer, so much more present, so much more at home.

Craig Foster · 49:30

You come back and it feels like you've been rebooted.

Craig Foster · 50:00
#biodiversity#mental health#wilderness#nervous system
Takeaway1:04:00

Finding a New Species Is Easier Than Naming One

Foster's collaborators have named and identified three shrimp species, including one associated with octopus dens. He says discovering unfamiliar species in the region can be surprisingly easy, while formally describing and naming them requires so much work that researchers may hesitate to inspect another candidate.

  • The team has named and identified three shrimp species
  • One shrimp probably has a mutual relationship with cephalopods inside octopus dens
  • The local marine environment still makes new-species encounters common
  • Taxonomic description is the labor-intensive bottleneck

We've lost count, we've actually been able to name and identify three species of shrimp.

Craig Foster · 1:04:00

It's the naming of it that's an enormously difficult job.

Craig Foster · 1:04:30
#shrimp#taxonomy#new species#marine science
Takeaway1:16:00

Why Rapt Attention Gave Childhood Stories Meaning

Foster says a child most needs to know they are truly loved, supported by dedicated time and shared activities both parent and child enjoy. His grandmother and great-grandmother expressed that love by giving complete attention to his childhood stories, making those experiences feel meaningful and creating support he can still draw on.

  • Foster tried to transmit love of nature by embodying it rather than pushing lessons
  • He prioritized focused time and mutually enjoyable activities with his son
  • His elders listened to childhood stories with rapt attention
  • Undistracted interest made those stories feel meaningful
  • He still draws strength from the unconditional love he experienced

if they truly know that you really love them, that's the most critical thing.

Craig Foster · 1:17:00

there's something about that focus and not being distracted with other things that was immensely powerful, that gave our childhood meaning.

Craig Foster · 1:20:00
#parenting#attention#love#family