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Ben Patrick12 November 2025

#835: Ben Patrick (KneesOverToesGuy) — 20-Minute Workouts That Produce Wild Results, From Chronic Knee Pain to Dunking Basketballs, Lessons from Charles Poliquin, Bulletproofing the Lower Body, and More

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Story· 7

Story01:00

How “Old Man” Patrick Reached Knee Surgery at 18

Ben Patrick was so stiff in high school that a basketball coach called him “old man.” Chronic knee pain began by age 12, and at 18 he underwent a partial kneecap replacement, quad-tendon reattachment, and meniscus transplant before spending roughly a year and a half unable to run.

  • Ben began extreme workouts around age nine
  • Chronic knee pain had started by age 12
  • Surgery at 18 involved several major repairs
  • Immobilization and rehabilitation kept him from running for about 18 months

Had a high school basketball coach who started calling me old man. I was so stiff.

Ben Patrick · 01:00

By 18, I then did have surgery, partial kneecap replacement, like part of my kneecap was just floating there.

Ben Patrick · 02:30
#knee surgery#basketball#chronic pain
Story21:30

The Gentle Routine Behind Ben Patrick’s 71-Year-Old Mother

Ben began training his mother after deteriorating hips and a fall made him worry about her mobility. Over eight years she made sledding a regular habit, trained for only 10 to 15 minutes a day, and credited the split squat with fixing her hip problems.

  • She had spent about 50 years working at a desk
  • A fall and chronic hip problem prompted the change
  • She kept the program gentle and consistent
  • Her preferred work includes sledding and full-range split squats

I've been training my mom for going on eight years.

Ben Patrick · 22:00

She spends maybe 10 15 minutes a day.

Ben Patrick · 23:00
#healthy aging#hip mobility#sled training
Story32:30

Backward Sled Work Traces Back to Finnish Log Dragging

Ben recounts a lineage running from Finnish powerlifters who credited tree-dragging day jobs for their squats to Louie Simmons at Westside Barbell. Simmons turned dragging weight into training, and Charles Poliquin later applied backward sled work in knee rehabilitation.

  • Finnish powerlifters described dragging trees as a secret weapon
  • Louie Simmons adapted the idea into weighted sled dragging
  • Sled work became routine at Westside Barbell
  • Poliquin carried the method into an Olympic rehabilitation case

their secret weapon was their day job was dragging trees.

Ben Patrick · 33:00

So Louie invented the idea of dragging weight as a form of exercise.

Ben Patrick · 33:00
#westside barbell#louie simmons#sled training
Story35:00

How Bob Gajda’s DARD Became the Modern Tib Bar

Former Mr. Universe Bob Gajda created a device for training the front shin in the opposite direction of a calf raise. The original DARD was no longer readily available when Ben found it, so Ben encouraged an equipment company to make a simplified version called a tib bar.

  • Gajda left bodybuilding as steroids and commercial deals arrived
  • His later work focused on helping people stay active without breaking down
  • The DARD trained the tibialis anterior
  • Ben simplified the product name to make its purpose clearer

it allowed you to do the opposite of a calf race and strengthen the front shin muscles.

Ben Patrick · 36:30

call it a tib bar like to make it simple for people

Ben Patrick · 38:00
#bob gajda#tibialis#fitness equipment
Story40:30

Why Local Production Prevented a Newsletter Hug of Death

A mention in Tim's Five-Bullet Friday newsletter sent Ben's wrist-bar sales sharply higher. Because a Minnesota family manufactured the product locally and could make units to order, Ben avoided the inventory trap that can hit small companies after a temporary demand spike.

  • The newsletter reached more than two million subscribers
  • Ben's team quickly traced the sales spike to Tim's mention
  • Large minimum orders can turn temporary attention into dangerous excess stock
  • Make-to-order production let the team fulfill demand without ordering a speculative batch

We didn't even have to order a batch. We were just able to fulfill the orders.

Ben Patrick · 43:00

The hug of death can take a number of different forms.

Tim Ferriss · 42:00
#inventory#manufacturing#newsletter
Story56:00

Tim’s 10-to-20-Minute Sled Conditioning Experiment

Tim describes using a mechanically resisted sled on a gravel driveway for short morning sessions, often fasted after caffeine. He reports improvements in conditioning, leg growth, stability, and body composition while keeping total weekly training to roughly two or three hours.

  • He adapted four-minute work and recovery intervals to sled pushing
  • Actual hard work often totaled 10 to 20 minutes
  • He performed the sessions three or four times per week
  • Weight training and rehabilitation brought total weekly exercise to about two or three hours

my god, can you get in good shape just from doing that.

Tim Ferriss · 57:30

we're talking about two to three hours a week.

Tim Ferriss · 59:00
#conditioning#sled training#time efficiency
Story1:16:00

Why Tim Walked Away from a Massive Supplement Opportunity

After The 4-Hour Body, Tim had the audience and industry knowledge to launch supplements tied directly to his recommendations. He declined because selling the exact products he recommended would give readers a valid reason to question whether the book's information was unbiased.

  • Tim already knew the sports-nutrition industry deeply
  • He believed the opportunity could have produced tens of millions of dollars or more
  • The commercial fit created a direct credibility conflict
  • He chose to preserve trust and find another financial route

This guy is shilling his bags. He's selling exactly what he's recommending. How can I trust anything this guy says?

Tim Ferriss · 1:17:00

that is too steep a cost. I'll find another way to do it.

Tim Ferriss · 1:17:00
#supplements#trust#conflicts of interest

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway26:00

Charles Poliquin’s One Training Regret

Near the end of his life, Charles Poliquin told Ben that his only regret was not getting into flexibility sooner. Ben took that as a prompt to explore training in which strength and flexibility reinforce one another rather than live in separate routines.

  • Poliquin was known primarily for extensive strength knowledge
  • He regretted discovering flexibility work late
  • Ben says that comment strongly influenced his training style
  • The desired state is feeling strong in flexible positions

he says only regret was not getting into flexibility sooner

Ben Patrick · 26:30

the positions that you're flexible and you feel strong in those positions.

Ben Patrick · 27:00
#charles poliquin#flexibility#training history
Takeaway1:25:30

Dreamlining Reveals How Much “Enough” Actually Costs

Tim argues that the money required for an amazing life is often lower than people assume and points listeners to his dreamlining exercise for costing out desired experiences. Once financial safety is near, important needs still require separate work, including doing things that create pride and strengthen family life.

  • Enough differs from person to person
  • Dreamlining converts desired experiences into explicit costs
  • Money does not address every important part of life
  • Values-aligned work can justify higher production costs through nonfinancial benefits

what you need to live an amazing life is much less than most people realize.

Tim Ferriss · 1:25:30

the other pieces of the puzzle that are so important are not in any way addressed by money and you have to work on those…

Tim Ferriss · 1:26:30
#dreamlining#money#life design