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Guy Oseary07 July 2026

#874: Guy Oseary — The Legendary Hollywood Power Broker on 5-Minute Decisions, 36 Years of Managing Madonna, 26 IPOs, and Spotting Magic First

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Hot Take· 1

Hot Take1:05:00

AI Music Companies Should Let Artists Opt Out or Get Paid

Oseary separates the creative promise of AI music from the compensation problem. He welcomes people making songs and sounds for the first time, but argues that companies should not build multibillion-dollar businesses on artists' music without permission or payment; artists should be able to opt out, while participating artists should be compensated.

  • AI tools are enabling more people to create music
  • Oseary objects to companies building value on music without paying artists
  • He proposes a clear opt-out for artists who reject training
  • Artists who opt in should receive payment
  • He points to Spotify as evidence that convenient licensed access can attract payment
  • He says Madonna does not want her music used for training

Either let them opt out, do not use my music to build your business. Okay, I'm opting out. But if I opt in, find a…

Guy Oseary · 1:06:30

Fair use is not fair.

Guy Oseary · 1:08:30
#ai-music#artist-rights#licensing#streaming

Explainer· 1

Explainer21:30

Why Candlebox's Breakthrough Took More Than Great Songs

Oseary says Candlebox began with unmistakable music and a live performance that let him imagine thousands of fans singing along. The demos were so strong that the album recordings could not beat two of them, but the band's growth still required years of frequent shows and gradual artist development.

  • Oseary visualized a large audience while watching a showcase attended by about 30 people
  • He called Freddy DeMann from a pay phone during the performance
  • Two original demos remained on the album because later recordings could not improve them
  • The band developed through repeated shows over several years
  • Their first album sold four million copies

It starts with always starts with the magic.

Guy Oseary · 23:00

Every week little by little little by little keyword is artist development

Guy Oseary · 24:00
#artist-development#music#candlebox#craft

Story· 6

Story02:30

How Two Very Different Schools Expanded Oseary's Ambition

Oseary says moving from a diverse downtown Los Angeles school to Beverly Hills High exposed him to radically different worlds. The first immersed him in music and subcultures; the second showed him a level of optionality he had not known was possible and pushed him to start working toward a music career.

  • The downtown school exposed him to hip-hop, alternative music, punk, break dancing, graffiti, and many kinds of people
  • Beverly Hills High revealed wealth, travel, connections, and greater optionality
  • He credits the combination, rather than either school alone, with giving him perspective
  • At about 14, he began asking what he could become good at and chose music

I didn't know you can aim this high.

Guy Oseary · 06:30
#ambition#perspective#music#education
Story09:00

The $25,000 Offer That Confirmed Oseary's Career Path

At 16, Oseary played Bernie Brillstein a song and was offered $25,000 to release it. He declined in favor of three introductions because he did not know what to do with the money, but the offer gave him the external confirmation he needed to commit fully to music.

  • Brillstein offered the money in their first meeting
  • Oseary requested three music-industry calls instead
  • The introductions did not directly lead anywhere
  • The financial offer itself validated that Oseary was on the right path
  • He later sent Brillstein his first gold record

Bernie, I'd rather you make three phone calls for me to music people.

Guy Oseary · 10:00

On that day, that was a confirmation I needed that I'm on the right path.

Guy Oseary · 11:00
#validation#mentorship#career#music
Story42:30

Losing Everything on Idealab Taught Oseary Diversification

Oseary put nearly all his savings, plus borrowed money, into Idealab immediately before the dot-com crash while passing on Research in Motion and Vitamin Water. The loss consumed his attention for two years, but he later concluded that his identification was not entirely wrong: two of his three selected opportunities worked, while the portfolio failed because he had concentrated the money in one.

  • Idealab reminded him of a record label containing many different projects
  • He invested the majority of his money in the single company just before the crash
  • He did not complete planned investments in Research in Motion and Vitamin Water
  • The two missed investments later became major successes
  • He concluded that diversification would have radically changed the outcome

I learned about diversification.

Guy Oseary · 47:00
#investing#diversification#failure#idealab
Story48:30

The Coconut-Water Signals That Pulled Oseary Back Into Investing

Years after the Idealab loss, Oseary noticed coconut water repeatedly through his Brazilian family, Madonna's touring requirements, health-conscious consumers, and a newspaper article. When Seth Radetsky called about Vita Coco, the independent signals converged, and Oseary flew to meet founder Mike Kirban and invested heavily.

  • Oseary's family already drank coconut water
  • Madonna's trainer sourced fresh coconuts in different tour markets
  • He saw other health-conscious people adopting the drink
  • A New York Post article about the category was already sitting on his desk
  • He recruited other well-known health-conscious investors
  • Vita Coco later became a public company

I started to see, again, back to pattern recognition, I started to see this thing.

Guy Oseary · 49:30

I approached it the way I approached everything. It was it wasn't let's think about it. It was like I'm all in. Let's go.

Guy Oseary · 51:00
#vita-coco#pattern-recognition#consumer#investing
Story1:13:30

Bitcoin at $250 and the SpaceX Question Oseary Never Asked

Oseary and Ashton Kutcher respond differently to missed opportunities: Kutcher moves forward, while Oseary uses regret as motivation not to repeat the miss. Two examples still sting him—selling Bitcoin after a tenfold rise from $22 to $250, and being so awed by an early SpaceX visit that he failed to ask how the business worked or whether he could invest.

  • Kutcher's response to missed deals is to keep moving forward
  • Oseary uses the miss as fuel to avoid repeating it
  • He sold Bitcoin at $250 after buying at $22
  • He visited SpaceX with Anthony Kiedis and met Elon Musk
  • The technical vision distracted him from asking about monetization and investment

what motivates me is like I'm not going to let that happen again.

Guy Oseary · 1:14:00
#failure#bitcoin#spacex#investing
Story1:23:30

Why Oseary and Kutcher Chose Different Paths After 20 Years

After the success of their foundational AI fund, Oseary, Ashton Kutcher, and Effie Epstein asked what each wanted from the next decade. Their visions differed, so they chose distinct paths without turning the transition into a conflict: Oseary says he supports Kutcher's vision financially and energetically, while he and Epstein continue building Sound Ventures.

  • The partners evaluated what work would make each of them happy over the next decade
  • They found that their visions were different
  • Oseary supports Kutcher's plan even though it is not his own vision
  • The decision was framed as a celebratory new chapter
  • They expect some future projects to overlap
  • Oseary and Effie Epstein will continue with Sound Ventures

this decision was made out of joy and and to support each other's visions.

Guy Oseary · 1:25:30
#partnership#sound-ventures#career-transition#leadership

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway31:30

The Madonna Lesson That Kept Oseary From Being Siloed

After 36 years beside Madonna, Oseary sees her work ethic, commitment, taste, and talent identification as major influences. The deepest effect was learning not to put walls around what he could do, which let him move across music, film, technology, marketing, and investing rather than accepting a single industry compartment.

  • Madonna's work ethic and commitment to craft set an unusually high standard
  • She surrounded herself with exceptional artists, designers, and other talent
  • Oseary says she does not put walls around her thoughts
  • That example helped him avoid being bucketed into one genre or industry
  • He applies music-language concepts such as artists, audiences, and singles to founders and companies

she doesn't see any kind of there's no walls around her thoughts.

Guy Oseary · 33:00

innovation is innovation

Guy Oseary · 34:30
#madonna#mentorship#creativity#career
Takeaway40:30

Madonna's Reinvention Starts With Refusing to Rest on the Past

Oseary argues that Madonna's longevity is not passive maintenance but repeated forward movement against resistance. She does not spend time celebrating prior accomplishments; she begins again as if each cycle were a new day, which has also shaped his own orientation toward future work.

  • She does not rest on her past achievements
  • Her longevity has required active struggle rather than effortless maintenance
  • Her example expands what later artists believe is possible
  • Oseary links her forward motion to his own drive

She doesn't sit well on her past. She's not high-fiving herself.

Guy Oseary · 41:00

she just doesn't celebrate her accomplishments. She just starts like it's a brand new a brand new day.

Guy Oseary · 42:00
#madonna#reinvention#longevity#mindset