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26 May 2023

#674: Neuroscientist David Eagleman — Exploring Consciousness, Sensory Augmentation, The Lazy Susan Method of Extraordinary Productivity, Dreaming, Improving Hearing with a Wristband, Synesthesia, Stretching Time with Novelty, Lessons from Titans of Science, and Much More

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Explainer· 5

Explainer02:30

Why every human memory champion seems to have synesthesia

Eagleman defines synesthesia as any association between a stimulus and an unrelated experience — numbers triggering colours, sounds triggering tastes, tastes triggering sensations on the fingertips — and notes it affects roughly 3% of the population. He connects it to mnemonists, the people who can memorise arbitrary lists, arguing that as far as he can tell every one of them has some form of it: memorising the digits of pi becomes a story landscape where the small yellow girl who is number three talks to the angry boy who is number seven. He distinguishes congenital synesthesia from acquired versions, including psychedelic-induced blending, and notes that memory-palace training is the same trick applied deliberately, tapping into location. Twenty years of studying it convinced him of something larger: reality is simply different inside different heads.

  • Synesthesia is any blending of senses — numbers to colours, sounds to tastes, tastes to touch.
  • About 3% of the population has some form of it.
  • Mnemonists convert arbitrary data into synesthetic stories with characters and locations.
  • Congenital synesthesia is inborn; acquired versions come from training or psychedelics.
  • Memory-palace training deliberately taps spatial location, which all animals encode strongly.
  • Eagleman's twenty-year interest is what it proves: reality differs between heads and both parties accept theirs as the world.

synesthesia is where there is an association between some stimulus and something else.

David Eagleman · 02:30

It's about 3% of the population has some form of synesthesia.

David Eagleman · 03:30

usually that training involves just tapping into other modalities like we're really good at location.

David Eagleman · 05:30
#synesthesia#memory#perception#mnemonics#neuroscience
Explainer19:30

Compressing AI inference into a buzz, and the broom closet of consciousness

Asked for his wildest five-year hopes, Eagleman points at machine learning as a compression layer for new senses. His example is a company three college students spun out of Neosensory: a wristband that listens to whoever a person with autism is talking to, classifies the tone as angry, happy or sad, and simply buzzes the answer. He sees a general pattern — run a sophisticated computation, then feed the user the simple answer through the skin. He revives an older proposal to render live market data as skin patterns and asks whether long-term training could yield a direct perceptual experience of the planet's economic movements. Tim notes that chess and Go are easy to train while catching a ball is hard, which Eagleman folds into Incognito's thesis: conscious access is the broom closet in the mansion of the brain.

  • Machine learning can compress a complicated inference into a single perceptual signal.
  • A spinout wristband classifies a conversation partner's emotion and buzzes the answer for autistic users.
  • Eagleman proposes rendering live market data as skin patterns to build trading intuition.
  • The open question is whether training yields a direct perceptual experience of economic movement.
  • Chess and Go are easy to automate while catching a ball is hard, exposing hidden processing.
  • Conscious awareness is the broom closet in the mansion of the brain.

One of them is that I think we can really use AI and machine learning for a lot of very useful stuff.

David Eagleman · 19:30

can they just develop a direct perceptual experience of the economic movements of the planet?

David Eagleman · 21:30

it's the broom closet in the mansion of the brain.

David Eagleman · 23:00
#machine-learning#sensory-addition#unconscious-processing#autism#intuition
Explainer25:30

Memory is a myth-making machine, and pulling one out makes it vulnerable

Tim asks why memories he assumed were gone — a language studied twenty years ago — resurface in deep ketosis. Eagleman offers to actually test it, then explains what is known: the material is still there, evidenced by recognition and by the savings effect, where relearning is dramatically faster, exactly as returning astronauts relearn walking far faster than an infant. He warns that borrowing the word memory from computers is a shame, because computer memory returns identical data while human memory must be physically moved and reconsolidated. Retrieve a childhood teacher's name and it becomes active spikes, vulnerable to a blow to the head before it returns to cold storage. Emotionally charged memories, though, are unerasable. And his colleague Liz Phelps found that both 9/11 and mundane September 10th memories had drifted a year later.

  • The savings effect proves old learning persists — relearning is far faster than first learning.
  • Returning astronauts relearn walking much faster than infants do.
  • Computer memory returns identical data; human memory must be moved and rewritten.
  • A retrieved memory becomes active spikes and is vulnerable to erasure until reconsolidated.
  • Emotionally charged and traumatic memories are effectively unerasable.
  • Liz Phelps found both 9/11 and mundane memories drifted a year later.

memory actually has to be reconsolidated after you take it out of long-term storage.

David Eagleman · 26:00

a memory needs to be reconsolidated. It needs to be taken from activity back to into the structure of the system.

David Eagleman · 27:00

So, memory is a myth-making machine. We're constantly reinventing our past, especially as we tell the stories over and over again.

David Eagleman · 29:30
#memory#reconsolidation#false-memory#neuroscience#learning
Explainer1:12:30

Liveware, infotropism, and why the brain cancels what it already knows

Eagleman explains Livewired's premise: the brain is neither hardware nor software but liveware, reconfiguring itself continuously. With roughly 30,000 papers a year now published on plasticity, he wrote the book to build a framework for what it means for a brain to absorb the world. Out of that came infotropism, a term he coined for what the brain does at all times — reconfiguring circuitry to maximise the information it pulls in. The motion aftereffect is his illustration: stare at a waterfall, look at the rocks, and everything appears to move upward, because the brain is resetting its zero to cancel redundant motion and hunt for new information. He argues plasticity is radically underappreciated — born 10,000 years ago with identical DNA, he and Tim would be nothing like themselves.

  • The brain is liveware, not hardware or software — it reconfigures constantly.
  • About 30,000 papers a year now come out on brain plasticity.
  • Infotropism is Eagleman's term for circuitry reconfiguring to maximise incoming information.
  • The waterfall motion aftereffect shows the brain resetting its zero to cancel redundancy.
  • Coloured lights and tinted glasses get cancelled by the same recalibration.
  • With identical DNA 10,000 years ago we would be entirely different people — culture shapes the human.

Livewired in general is about this issue of how you can't really think about the brain like hardware or software, but instead it's what I…

David Eagleman · 1:13:00

Infotropism is a term that I coined about what the brain is trying to do at all times. It's reconfiguring its circuitry so that it…

David Eagleman · 1:13:30

every man begins life as 10,000 men and dies as a single one.

David Eagleman · 1:16:00
#neuroplasticity#infotropism#livewired#perception#adaptation
Explainer1:31:30

Falling off a roof, the 150-foot drop experiment, and how to make life feel longer

Eagleman traces his time-perception work to falling twelve feet off a house under construction at age eight, where the fall seemed to take a long time. As a neuroscientist he tested it by dropping volunteers backwards in freefall from a 150-foot tower into a net and measuring their perceptual speed. Nobody perceives faster during a scary event; they simply lay down more memory, which reads back as more elapsed time. Since memory only records what is emotionally salient or informationally relevant, and duration is estimated from available footage, richer memories will not extend your life but will make it seem as though you have lived longer. Hence novelty as a life strategy. He closes by coining 'idiothesis' — a stupid hypothesis he produces at least twice daily and never defends.

  • Eagleman fell twelve feet at age eight and the fall felt slow, seeding the research.
  • He dropped volunteers 150 feet in freefall to measure perceptual speed directly.
  • Fear does not speed perception; it increases the memory laid down.
  • Duration is estimated retroactively from available memory footage.
  • Seeking novelty lays down dense memories and makes life seem longer.
  • An idiothesis is a stupid hypothesis held with zero attachment — he generates at least two a day.

if you're laying down richer memories, you won't necessarily live longer, but you will make it seem as though you've lived longer.

David Eagleman · 1:34:00

seeking novelty and always putting yourself in new situations such that you're laying down dense memories.

David Eagleman · 1:35:00

really really stupid hypotheses that might just be right, but they could just as well be wrong.

David Eagleman · 1:37:00
#time-perception#memory-density#novelty#hypothesis-generation#life-design

Story· 5

Story07:30

From a vibrating vest to a wristband that replaces a hearing aid

Eagleman traces sensory substitution to one observation: the brain sits locked in silence and darkness inside the skull, receiving only electrochemical spikes, yet produces colour, music and the smell of cinnamon from identical material. If the substrate is the same, the input port is arbitrary. His lab built a vest of vibratory motors that converted sound into skin vibration from high to low frequency, mirroring the inner ear, and deaf wearers learned to hear through their skin. He then spun off Neosensory and shrank the vest to a wristband, defeating the wrist's smaller area with an illusion — two neighbouring motors are felt as one virtual point, and varying their amplitudes moves it, giving 128 points. For age-related hearing loss, machine learning listens for high-frequency phonemes and buzzes the wrist while the ear handles the rest.

  • The brain only ever receives electrochemical spikes, so every sense is made of the same stuff.
  • A vest of vibratory motors let deaf users learn to hear through their skin.
  • The brain learns the new channel by correlating it with existing senses.
  • The wrist has higher nerve density than the torso but far less area.
  • Two neighbouring motors produce one perceived virtual point; amplitude ratios move it, yielding 128 points.
  • For age-related hearing loss the wristband clarifies high frequencies and replaces a hearing aid within weeks.

just really thinking about the fact that the brain is locked in silence and darkness inside the skull.

David Eagleman · 07:30

the brain doesn't care how the information gets there. As long as it gets there somehow, the brain will figure out what to do with…

David Eagleman · 09:00

So, we're actually stimulating 128 virtual points on the wrist is what we do.

David Eagleman · 12:00
#sensory-substitution#neuroplasticity#neosensory#haptics#assistive-tech
Story14:30

Feeling heat signatures in a parking lot with 70 projects running

Beyond the clinical hearing products, Eagleman describes 70 separate projects in sensory addition and expansion, and picks his favourite: wearing infrared. In the near-infrared range, walking at night between houses, he felt radiation he could not place until he followed his wrist to a security camera's invisible LEDs. In the mid-wave range it becomes a heat sense — he can walk through a parking lot and know which cars pulled up in the last half hour from engine-block heat, tell which of two empty library chairs was recently sat in, even detect which display books have been picked up. He calls it slicing up time in a different way. Other projects feed in stock data, Twitter data, and a spouse's live physiology. None have clear market paths; they are what feeds him scientifically.

  • Neosensory runs 70 different sensory addition and expansion projects.
  • Near-infrared let Eagleman locate invisible security-camera LEDs by following his wrist.
  • Mid-wave infrared becomes a heat sense that reveals recent human presence.
  • He describes the infrared sense as slicing up time in a different way.
  • Other projects pipe stock data, Twitter data, or a partner's physiology onto the skin.
  • None of the speculative projects have clear market paths — they are scientific fuel, not products.

we've got 70 projects, 7 0 different projects about sensory addition and sensory expansion.

David Eagleman · 14:30

I can like walk through the parking lot and know immediately which cars have been parked there a while and which ones have just pulled…

David Eagleman · 15:30
#sensory-addition#infrared#wearables#research-portfolio#perception
Story30:30

Francis Crick, the chalkboard word 'meaning', and the danger of one idea

Eagleman did his postdoctoral fellowship at the Salk Institute, where Francis Crick — whom he had assumed was long dead — was still working. What made Crick singular was the absence of constraints: an early Nobel meant no grants to write, no papers to grind out, no applications to read, and 100% of his time for deep thinking. Eagleman recalls finding him flipping through Science and Nature; asked what he was looking for, Crick said he did not know, he was just looking. Crick's chalkboard had the word meaning written in the middle, because his central question was why any of this means anything to us, pursued through the neural correlates of consciousness with Christof Koch. Tim raises Crick's line that the dangerous man has only one idea, and Eagleman says it confirmed how he already thought.

  • Crick's advantage was structural: an early Nobel removed grant, paper and admin obligations.
  • He spent 100% of his time thinking, and browsed journals with no specific target.
  • His chalkboard carried one word in the middle: meaning.
  • With Christof Koch he pursued the neural correlates of consciousness, the 'easy problem'.
  • Crick warned that the dangerous man has only one idea and will fight and die for it.
  • Eagleman rejected an engineering professor's advice to pick one tree and hit only that tree.

he was an amazing guy precisely because he was so high IQ, so high octane and had no other constraints on him.

David Eagleman · 31:30

the dangerous man is one who has only one idea because then he'll fight and die for it. The way real science goes is that…

Tim Ferriss · 32:30

he had lots of things written on it, but right in the middle he had the word meaning written on it, because that was his…

David Eagleman · 38:00
#francis-crick#consciousness#mentors#research-strategy#salk-institute
Story49:30

Carl Sagan, a jerk of an advisor, and a hard left turn out of literature

Eagleman names his influences: his father, a forensic psychiatrist; his graduate advisor Reed Montague; and Carl Sagan, whom he knew only through Cosmos in a household that barely watched television, but which shaped his life's trajectory — his parents told him he could be the next Carl Sagan rather than the next president. Montague mattered as proof of concept: a decathlete twenty IQ points ahead of everyone who could also out-bench anyone, showing a literature major that science did not mean Coke-bottle glasses. Montague was, by Eagleman's account, a total jerk for the five years of his PhD, and he would not have it any other way. He had tried engineering and physics, found nothing resonating, majored in literature, then took one terrible 1960s-vintage neuroscience class in his final semester and was hooked.

  • Cosmos on PBS shaped the trajectory of his life more than any in-person figure.
  • His parents' aspiration for him was the next Carl Sagan, not the next president.
  • Reed Montague was proof of concept that scientists need not fit the stereotype.
  • Montague was a total jerk for five years and Eagleman would not change it.
  • He tried engineering and physics, found no resonance, and majored in literature.
  • One terrible neuroscience class in his final semester hooked him completely.

but I saw Cosmos on PBS and it totally influenced the shape of the trajectory of my life.

David Eagleman · 50:00

Look, here's the thing. As an undergraduate, I majored in British and American literature, cuz that was my first love.

David Eagleman · 51:00

I was his grad student for 5 years and he was a total jerk all the time, but I love the guy so much.

David Eagleman · 52:00
#influences#mentorship#career-pivot#carl-sagan#graduate-school
Story56:00

Seven years, a stack of rejections as tall as the book, and three angles in 48 hours

Asked for a favourite failure, Eagleman describes writing Sum over seven years and collecting a stack of rejection letters as high as the book itself. Some were form letters; some were handwritten notes saying the writer liked it but had no idea where it would go on a bookshelf. He was fairly certain it would never see daylight. What broke the deadlock was a method he learned from being on the receiving end of it — a 16-year-old named Don Vaughn who reached him via dry-erase board, voicemail, a teacher's letter, another call and an email until Eagleman decided he did not want to miss this kid. Eagleman applied the same method to one literary agent, hitting her three ways in 48 hours. She called back two days later: Sum had sold.

  • Sum took seven years and generated a stack of rejections as tall as the book.
  • Rejectors liked it but could not place it on a bookshelf — a positioning problem.
  • Eagleman had been writing to publishers directly; agents are the first filter.
  • Don Vaughn, then 16, reached Eagleman via five different channels until he could not be forgotten.
  • Eagleman consciously copied the method onto one literary agent inside 48 hours.
  • Sum sold two days later and became a bestseller in 33 languages, adapted into two operas.

I ended up collecting a stack of rejection letters as high as the book.

David Eagleman · 56:30

And I call this the Don Vaughn method of just hitting someone over and over from different angles to make sure that they don't forget.

David Eagleman · 1:02:00

the book became an international bestseller and pretty immediately got published in 33

David Eagleman · 58:00
#persistence#publishing#outreach#failure#gatekeepers

tactic· 2

tactic12:30

Teaching the brain which ringing is fake news

Tim discloses that he has tinnitus and asks how Neosensory's protocol works. Eagleman first resolves the pronunciation — everyone says tinnitus, audiologists say tennitus, either is correct — then describes bimodal stimulation as something so simple it barely sounds like an intervention. The device plays pulsed tones around the sufferer's own tinnitus frequency while delivering a matched buzz on the skin, so the user hears and feels each pulse simultaneously. Eagleman's reading of the mechanism is cross-modal verification: the skin confirms that this particular sound is genuinely external. The phantom tone, generated internally, never receives that confirmation, so the brain concludes it need not pay as much attention. He flags that the detailed arguments are complicated, but claims the effect drives down tinnitus as much as any existing solution.

  • Everyone calls it tinnitus, audiologists call it tennitus, and both are correct.
  • The protocol pairs pulsed tones near the individual's tinnitus frequency with matched skin buzzes.
  • The skin buzz acts as verification that a sound is genuinely external.
  • The phantom tone gets no skin confirmation, so the brain down-weights it.
  • Eagleman flags the mechanistic arguments as complicated and offers the simple version.
  • He claims it reduces tinnitus as much as any existing solution.

It's called bimodal stimulation, but all it is is we're playing tone boop boop boop boop boop boop around the around their tinnitus frequency

David Eagleman · 13:30

you're teaching the brain what is a real external sound because the skin is giving you verification that the sound actually is real.

David Eagleman · 14:00
#tinnitus#bimodal-stimulation#attention#neuroplasticity#protocol
tactic1:05:30

The prefrontal Lazy Susan and the 400-hour workweek problem

Asked what advice he would give an overwhelmed postdoc juggling science and a spinout, Eagleman offers the only thing he has: the Lazy Susan method, which he learned Walt Whitman used with his writing projects. Each segment holds a different project; he works on whatever he is maximally resonating with until he starts slowing down, then spins and picks something else, returning refreshed and often with a new idea. The Lazy Susan is not physical — it lives in his prefrontal cortex. Tim presses on the mechanics with his actual week, which turns out to be VC meetings, lectures, B2B work, a middle-grade brain-mystery book and a birthday with zero free calendar. Eagleman concedes the platter only spins on weekends and in four-hour chunks, typically at an IHOP.

  • Each Lazy Susan segment is a different live project; you spin when you slow down.
  • The pattern comes from Walt Whitman rotating randomly between writing projects.
  • Returning to a stalled project brings refreshment and often a new idea.
  • The Lazy Susan is mental, not physical — it sits in the prefrontal cortex.
  • It can only be spun in unstructured chunks; obligation blocks must simply be performed.
  • Eagleman has written all his books at IHOPs — quiet, boring, bottomless coffee.

I would only be able to give what I do, and that is the Lazy Susan method.

David Eagleman · 1:06:00

Not physical, just in my prefrontal cortex, yeah.

David Eagleman · 1:07:00

I'm working on the 400-hour workweek and it sucks because I'm totally I'm totally constrained on all fronts.

David Eagleman · 1:11:30
#productivity#project-management#deep-work#context-switching#overcommitment

debate· 2

debate39:30

Dreaming as the visual cortex defending its territory overnight

Eagleman presents what he believes is a solved item from his ten unsolved questions of neuroscience: why we dream. The setup is brain plasticity plus a startling 2007 Harvard result where blindfolded subjects in an fMRI showed visual cortex responding to touch and sound within 60 minutes. If takeover starts that fast, the visual system faces a nightly threat, because the planet rotates into darkness and you can still hear, smell and touch in the dark but cannot see. His answer: every 90 minutes specialised circuits blast random activity into primary visual cortex purely to defend it, which is all dreaming is. Across 25 primate species, REM percentage tracks plasticity almost perfectly. Elephants looked like a counterexample until he found they sleep only one to two hours and have excellent night vision.

  • Blindfolded subjects showed visual cortex responding to touch and sound within 60 minutes.
  • Darkness disadvantages vision nightly while the other senses keep working.
  • Every 90 minutes, circuits blast random activity into primary visual cortex to hold territory.
  • Across 25 primate species, REM percentage correlates near-perfectly with plasticity.
  • Human babies are maximally plastic and spend about 50% of sleep in REM.
  • Elephants have almost no REM but sleep 1-2 hours with excellent night vision, fitting the theory.

what they found is that in 60 minutes, the visual system started responding to touch and to sound.

David Eagleman · 41:00

Every 90 minutes you've got these very specialized circuits that blast activity just into the visual cortex.

David Eagleman · 42:00

Elephants have almost no REM sleep.

David Eagleman · 45:00
#dreaming#rem-sleep#brain-plasticity#hypothesis-testing#comparative-neuroscience
debate1:19:30

Possibilityism, the billboard that says 'question your truth', and Empire of the Invisible

Eagleman argues the biggest coming shift is technological, not theoretical: fMRI measures blood flow across cubes of millions of neurons, and until we can record spiking across 86 billion neurons in real time the neural code stays uncracked the way the genetic code once was. From there he moves to epistemics. Science is the only human enterprise willing to knock down its own walls. He recounts a bookstore front table staged as a war between religious fundamentalists and neo-atheists, and offers possibilityism instead — avoid committing to certainty if you don't need to. His billboard would sit outside a school and read 'question your truth'. Empire of the Invisible, already 120,000 words, argues perception is a Potemkin village: ask anyone to explain the Electoral College and the facade collapses.

  • The bottleneck is measurement technology, not theory — fMRI reads blood flow across millions of neurons.
  • The neural code remains uncracked in the way the genetic code once was.
  • Nothing in science is immune from being knocked off its pedestal.
  • Possibilityism means declining certainty you do not need, while still weighing evidence.
  • Eagleman's billboard would read 'question your truth', aimed at schoolchildren.
  • Empire of the Invisible argues perception is a Potemkin village of facades.

the idea with possibilityism is avoiding committing to something with certainty if you don't need to.

David Eagleman · 1:22:00

something like, you know, question your truth.

David Eagleman · 1:24:30

fundamentally your perception is like a Potemkin village where you just see the facades of things.

David Eagleman · 1:27:30
#epistemics#possibilityism#consciousness#certainty#science-communication